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prog ([personal profile] prog) wrote2006-12-15 04:33 pm
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They had cheap and accurate FTL, but they didn't themselves establish additional sub-colonies all over everywhere? To say nothing of manned exploration and mapping missions in all directions, constantly active?

oh well. (If this gets explained after ep 3 I'll be fine with it.)

[identity profile] the-gadgetman.livejournal.com 2006-12-16 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Well, given we know little of BSG's timeline, we don't know the dispersal or founding dates of the 12 colonies. Perhaps most of them are offshoots from Caprica, which would explain why Caprica seems to be the center politically and culturally, at least so far.

And I gotta second the comment about Firefly. I grew to really like the show, but it has more than it's share of cringe-worthy moments. Most stuff involving spaceflight, for example, pops me right out of the story due to the implausability (2 passing spaceships taking several minutes to pass? yeah right....)

[identity profile] dougo.livejournal.com 2006-12-16 05:58 am (UTC)(link)
Firefly is far from perfect, but I take issue with "more than its share". The reavers-slowly-passing thing (and the general notion of interstellar trajectories coming anywhere near each other) was actually the only glaring issue I could think of. The artificial gravity inside the ships is future-tech/suspension-of-disbelief, but at least they actually show it turning off when the power goes out. A lot of the computer displays and hologram stuff is questionable, but really nothing to blink at compared to pretty much every other show (even non-sf shows set in the present day never get computers right!). River's brain-surgery-created powers border on the paranormal, but there's no space aliens, no FTL/teleportation/wormholes, no artificial intelligence, no time machines or parallel universes or holodecks or midichlorians...

But BSG, though. I'm not going to start listing stuff, to avoid spoilers for [livejournal.com profile] prog, but there's ridiculousness all over the place. I still enjoy the show a lot, but Firefly set a high standard for actually trying to think things through (not just physics but world-building and backstory) and everything else is a little disappointing.

Unfortunately, the Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics site doesn't cover either series (not even Serenity). If there's another similar site that does, I'd like to see it.

[identity profile] keimel.livejournal.com 2006-12-16 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
It's sci-fi.

Fi.

Fiction.

Calm down. Take a breath. It's a TV show.

And just to quicken the pace of this discussion, I'll bring it all the way around:

"Hitler"

There. We've come to it. Okay? Good.

;)

[identity profile] dougo.livejournal.com 2006-12-16 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry if it sounded like a breathless rant, but I am calm. I'm just saying I like my fiction better if it makes sense. By the tone of [livejournal.com profile] prog's original post, I think he agrees. We just disagree on where Firefly lies on that spectrum.

[identity profile] keimel.livejournal.com 2006-12-16 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
And I hope that everyone recognizes my smiley in my post. I'm playing with you as much as you're playing with prog and the_gadgetman. :)

Quite honestly, I can't keep up with BSG enough to consider that I know the story. It's such a fscked up story line and it's so completely soap opera that if I don't watch it religiously, I'll fall behind. And I don't have Tivo, so I can't watch it religiously.

I'll wait to borrow a friends DVD before I get too involved in that much of it.

And heck, so long as BSG or Firefly people don't do something like 'han shot first' - won't we all end up being somewhat happy? :)

Cheers!

[identity profile] prog.livejournal.com 2006-12-16 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
You have BitTorrent. (Not a dismissal; it's where I'm getting most of my BSG, since I didn't watch the miniseries and the following two seasons when they were broadcast. And since I'm a cheap bastard.)

[identity profile] the-gadgetman.livejournal.com 2006-12-17 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Not to worry, I never take TV show debates very seriously.... :)