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prog ([personal profile] prog) wrote2009-03-21 01:05 pm
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Daybreak

At first I was rolling my eyes in disappointment; it's one thing to go with a "Chariots of the Gods?" ending, but I couldn't rationally buy all the survivors unanimously deciding to go devo rather than found a city - it strikes me as fundamentally against human nature. As the episode continued, though, I made my peace with it; it certainly wasn't the first time BSG took a WTF turn like this (honestly, they tend to do it at least once an episode - see also Cavil's random suicide), and it was making the most of the direction that it headed in.

I wept quietly as things wrapped up, as I knew I would. But after the final shot of Hera in the wilderness, when the camera moved off her to pan through space and time and up onto a modern city, I totally lost my shit, sobbing loudly like a baby, straight through to the closing credits. I don't think I've really cried at the end of anything since The Empire Strikes Back, when I was seven years old. Then, I cried simply because the magic wonderful thing, like nothing I'd ever seen before, had suddenly stopped. This time, I thought I was prepared for it to happen again, but something about the exact note (ahem) that it ended on just floored me. I'm not sure I can express it yet; maybe I'll come back to it alter after I've had time to think about it.

I do like the nature of the thread they explicitly left without a clear resolution ("You know he doesn't like to be called that"), and state now that anyone who disagrees is a weenie. OK! Manly veneer re-applied. I'm ready for the commentary track now.

[identity profile] keimel.livejournal.com 2009-03-21 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think Cavil's suicide was completely random. I believe it helped set off the counter-attack. Although, well, I could also see the more "Oh Gods damn you all... " and him just ending his fight like that. *shrug*

I chortled loudly once Caprica's 'angel' version of Baltar appeared. This is somehow not entirely surprising, but it is funny - that they were both following their own angels (PYL (pick your label)) through the whole thing but we only saw Baltar's 6 angel. Funny.

You have to wonder just what could happen with them, founding a new world, what story lines could be found with the rest of them. Gotta wonder if cylon skin jobs die of natural causes or old age and whether Galen's little solo colony remains solo.

And let's put in a quick WTF for the "Lawyer as president of the new Earth - we're totally fscked" and laugh ourselves together into litigation... har har...

Was a little worried with the shots of Hera running from her parents, not knowing what time it was, how much time was left in the episode, so I had some angst about that, but was pleased to see how they used her that way. Interesting.

Certainly there are plenty of threads on which they can exploit the franchise, hopefully not cheapening it, but certainly, there are places to go with it.

the whole disappearing Kara left us with a "So, WTF _IS_ she? " and totally unanswered, IMHO. She's realized her destiny so she magically goes "poof" ? Erm... not feeling a warm fuzzy on that.

I'm pleased, but a little let down. It's obvious that they could spin off another way, but heck, they could start the entire Pern series from where they are right now! (not that I'm hoping they will).

Mostly, I'm sad to see it end, but at least they went out with a positive note... sort of ;)

[identity profile] roboknee.livejournal.com 2009-03-21 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
One of my friends called me right s the show ended so we could discuss the show. He had similar reactions to you about Cavil and everybody choosing to go devo. We both thought, "shit, they're going to found Atlantis." But no, they didn't. It was still a rewarding ending and left some things up to the viewer to decide as to the final fate of humanity and whatever happened to the Cylons.

Of course, we also wondered, what about the base ships that were still out there? Like the ones referenced in part one? After that we wondered about survivors on the colonies that Galactica didn't rescue. We know they saved Anders on Caprica, but, were there survivors on any of the other colonies? I can't remember them saying anything about them. For me, it made my RPG geek mind go racing on ideas for campaigns.

[identity profile] mrmorse.livejournal.com 2009-03-21 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
This is not actually relevant to this post, but the icon and cut-text reminded me. Edward James Olmos's comments on race at the UN panel on BSG are available on YouTube.

[identity profile] cramerica.livejournal.com 2009-03-21 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I lost it at the 150K years later too... (similarly touching as FF7 ending). Loved the Mitochondria Eve tie-in-- is that how Hera saved Roslin!? I was a bit huh? at the spider-form Colony but decided it worked with the ensuing "ram the battlestar down its throat" action. Opera house dream into reality seemed like an anticlimax, like maybe they had other plans for it (or no plan at all) but felt it needed a quick wrapup. Also, clearly God is Jimi Hendrix.
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[identity profile] radiotelescope.livejournal.com 2009-03-22 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
I liked it! In all its crack-addled, large-parts-make-no-sense-at-all glory.

(I'm still trying to figure out if they could have time-travelled without knowing it.)

[identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com 2009-03-22 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe it was because I found NewBSG frustrating enough that I never got that emotionally sucked into the show, but the finale mostly annoyed me. Choosing to go devo, yeah, that's part of it--I didn't really believe any of these people would survive the week, let alone give rise to modern humanity.

And even if you grant the notion of Earth-primate-compatible ancient astronauts (which I guess we can handwave away with "God did it", since it's such a venerable if crackbrained tradition in SF and was part of the premise of BSG classic), there's a lot more to swallow. There's the presence of anatomically modern humans who completely lack language, and the weird and kind of patronizing idea that space people similar to 21st century Americans who deliberately ditched all their tech would have more effect on Earth natives than a fart in a windstorm, and the stupidity about "Mitochondrial Eve" (there's nothing special about Mitochondrial Eve except that she was the last one of our ancestors who happened to be in everyone's direct all-female line; other people living at the same time would have similar mitochondria, so how would you identify her skeleton?)

[identity profile] ahkond.livejournal.com 2009-03-22 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
I was very annoyed with it. The mysteries were not explained: "it's all part of the Plan" is not an explanation. I did not get emotional about it - I was enjoying the goodbyes and the acting while at the same time feeling let down by the plot.

However, I did completely lose my shit at the ending of Six Feet Under. Now that was some sobbing and weeping right there.

raped in the face

[identity profile] taskboy3000.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
F Ron Moore. The series started fine, but he and the writers could not pay any of the plot debts incurred over 3 years. Season 4 was a complete waste of time and answer nothing well.